The Heads Up Blind Debate!

[The Showgirl]

Sometimes I just get lonely!

[The Showgirl]

Anyone want to have their say on these findings please do so - as otherwise this will become PAN Poker law without any input from the people!!!

[The Turn]

Anyone want to have their say on these findings please do so - as otherwise this will become PAN Poker law without any input from the people!!!

I always viewed PAN poker as more of an oligarchy than a dictatorship....

[The Showgirl]

Anyone want to have their say on these findings please do so - as otherwise this will become PAN Poker law without any input from the people!!!

I always viewed PAN poker as more of an oligarchy than a dictatorship....

Never - Power to the posters!

[The Showgirl]

Debate has now moved to Full Tilts forum too nothing particularly new on there but it seems more people are underlining what we have come to is correct:

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/i-need-a-ruling-heads-up-blind-transitions-t86876.html

[The Showgirl]

Great reply linking to a decent resource on the Full Tilt Forum:

Posted by IABoomer big thanks!!:

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

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How about we take a peek at "Robert's Rules"? You may want to print out the PDF version for your home game.

http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/rules.php

Quote:
RULES FOR USING BLINDS
1. The minimum bring-in and allowable raise sizes for the opener are specified by the poker form
used and blind amounts set for a game. They remain the same even when the player in the blind
does not have enough chips to post the full amount.
2. Each round every player must get an opportunity for the button, and meet the total amount of the
blind obligations. Either of the following methods of button and blind placement may be
designated to do this:
(a) Moving button – The button always moves forward to the next player and the blinds
adjust accordingly. There may be more than one big blind.
(b) Dead button – The big blind is posted by the player due for it, and the small blind and
button are positioned accordingly, even if this means the small blind or the button is
placed in front of an empty seat, giving the same player the privilege of last action on
consecutive hands. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #1, for more information
on this rule.]


Quote:
SECTION 16 - EXPLANATIONS
1. The only place in this set of rules that an alternative is mentioned other than in this section is in
the method of button and blind placement. That rule (the first rule in “Section 4 – Button and
Blind Use”) is repeated below for convenience.
“Each round all participating players must get an opportunity for the button, and meet the total
amount of the blind obligations. Either of the following methods of button and blind placement
may be designated to do this:
(a) Moving button – The button always moves forward to the next player and the
blinds adjust accordingly. There may be more than one big blind.
(b) Dead button – The big blind is posted by the player due for it, and the small blind
and button are positioned accordingly, even if this means the small blind or the
button is placed in front of an empty seat, giving the same player the privilege of
last action on consecutive hands.”
Poker tradition has a lot to do with the fact that both of these methods are in widespread use, but
neither method is superior in all situations. The moving button makes sure no player gets the
advantage of last action twice on a round (a big advantage at no-limit or pot-limit play). On the
other hand, a player may get to post a blind when on the button, which is more advantageous
than posting in front of the button. The moving button creates a situation where two big blinds
may be posted on a deal, which speeds up the action. At tournament play this speed-up can be
undesirable, as when dealing is being done hand-for-hand to balance the pace of play between
two remaining tables. A cardroom may either decide for the sake of simplicity to use only one
method, or decide to tailor the method to the game and situation.


So, if you're using the dead button method, in your example above, you're correct that player 3 gets the button since he would be expected to have the button next even if player 1 didn't get eliminated. He will post the SB in back to back hands.

Getting some interesting stuff on this.

[The Showgirl]

I've laid it all out with the help of the turn in this post - It'd be good if everyone has a look and familiarises themselves with this ruling - I can't be held responsible for my sobriety at the end of a poker marathon!

It was no probs though on the weekend - doing this has finally got me comfortable with whats going on - I'd advise you all to have a good look through our findings in this thread.

[The Turn]

It's really not that difficult if you just think it through. It may be worth explaining this to everyone at the next game while we're all still fresh and focused.